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Sorry it took so long but here are my videos of Benedict's talk.
They are not perfect, my hand moved a lot and sometimes because people's head moved in the way my camera focused on that.
It's not the whole talk and some of them missing it's end.
I was sitting fairly far from the stage holding up my fairly heavy camera which is why they are the way they are.

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prosen8966.livejournal.com

Thanks so very much for sharing!! (His babbling about shipping continents for like 20 seconds was totally amusing...)

And I always love when he talks about the slight distinction between Sherlock and Moriarty, caused basically by the addition of Watson in his life (altho I'd like to believe -- until proven otherwise -- that he still had a conscience of some sort that was/is simply missing in Moriarty, from the very beginning.) That is to say, no matter how he spoke of himself in the pilot, he still had morals and beliefs that Moriarty lacked from birth, and would never have found an accomplice in Sherlock as a result. Albeit, Jim happens to be one of my favorite characters, and I await breathlessly to see how they either 1- bring a zombie to life; 2- make someone else pretend that Moriarty is alive (altho I don't like that one since I want to actually SEE the actor himself); 3- figure out how someone pretends to blow their brains out in front of Sherlock but, apparently it's an illusion, b'c I could think up numerous ways for Sherlock to fake jumping off a building but really NO ways to fake shooting oneself in the head. (I read one fanfic wherein it was explained, but even with that, it seemed unlikely... And I'm not really sure where the body went afterwards then...)

Your camera work was just fine, and BC was lovely, verbose, and basically BC-esque (which is a very, very, very good thing. It just makes me really anxious re when the fuck the show will finally start for season 4, dammit!!)

Sorry.

I really do appreciate seeing this during the long, long hiatus!!

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wynterblackwell.livejournal.com

You are welcome.

As for Moriarty and Sherlock...

I think Moriarty is the sociopath Sherlock claimed to be.

In HLV we saw glimpses of Sherlock as a child (yes it was in his mind palace so the reality of it is questionable but I think it was at least based on a memory.) he wasn't as cold as he was at the beginning when he met John.

Moriarty killed somebody when he himself was just a child. (Moriarty was born in 1976 and Carl died in 1989 which makes him 13. And it wasn't a crime of passion, it was planned.)

Sherlock tried to get people to solve that murder even than (and he is younger than Moriarty). He was always "on the side of the angels".
I don't think Moriarty could have changed that even if they meet in a different way without John to be "moral compass".

I believe Sherlock got hurt one too many times. At first he lost the dog he obviously loved and than there is the other sibling (god knows what happened to him but I doubt it was pleasant) and who knows who else in what way.

I guess for Sherlock it seemed easier to pretend he was a sociopath. That way he had an excuse not to let people get close to him so he couldn't get hurt again. It was a defence for him.

(I hope this makes sense)

Did you consider that Moriarty maybe had an 'eviler twin'? :))

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I just want to add at the very beginning of this that while I have a pretty good grasp bet. the difference of the series re the fanfics I've read, since the hiatus has been so very, very long, it is quite possible that by this point in time, I may have some of my facts messed up re series v. hundreds and hundreds of fanfics b'c after a while, it gets a little difficult to remember that certain aspects of Sherlock were totally made up by fans. (A good example might be that prior to season 3, I think I really started to believe that Sherlock's father was an awful man. For whatever reason. Based on nothing, mind you. There were no references to him in the show & this was totally coming from stories I had read, but I honestly was starting to get it fixed in my head.)

So.

Not to sound like a complete moron, but when does Moriarty (or someone else) tell us when he was born? Did they SAY that he was 13 when he killed Carl Powers, b'c I don't remember that at all. I DO have this idea (also based on nothing) that Sherlock was 11 when Carl was killed, but I'm not sure where I got that, and there's a FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC fic that specifically states he was ten so I don't know how we get the ages of Sherlock and/or Moriarty in the series, unless we take what Sebastian Wilkes said in The Blind Banker as gospel wherein Sherlock hasn't seen him in 8 years (and we now ASSUME that means since uni) and he was 22 (altho I'm not really sure that's how it works in London) and then Sherlock would be 30 at that point. Or whatever age he would be using college age, correcting for London specifics. Something like that.

And I completely agree w' your analysis, altho I believe I said something similar in my first comment, albeit certainly not going as deeply into it as you did. Sherlock wouldn't have cared so deeply about his pet; Sherlock wouldn't have been so vulnerable to what the other students' thought of him; Sherlock would obviously have cared about the 'puzzle' of how Carl Powers was killed, but as you mentioned, he went that one step further -- he tried and tried to get the authorities involved, and if he truly had some sort of socio or psychopathic personality, that shouldn't/wouldn't have mattered to him. Indeed, he would have shied away from that type of authority figure. Just like Mycroft's famous quote from ep4 Caring is not an advantage, Sherlock..., perhaps Sherlock learned from his brother that it was better to pretend to not care, pretend to be aloof and unaware and so apart from his peers that anything they might say would never touch him.

Or even with some of those defenses in place, maybe he allowed one person to get close and they were awful and cruel and led him to believe: never again. It's not worth it. (Until he met John and realized that all people are not awful and friends can actually be sort of cool.)

I've read many, many stories where Jim either has a twin or a brother who is an equal to the horrible father with which Jim (apparently) grew up. He (also) could have (I read this too) just a regular twin (meaning a twin who doesn't have the same scholastic ability or the same sociopathic personality) but who COULD actually BE Richard Brooks (altho that would be stretching credibility... re the famous painting, etc... but let's ignore that for now) and for whom he wrote out a specific script for the rooftop on Barts, just left out the part where there would be actual bullets in the gun.

Or we could simply have yet another Moriarty, but worse that the first. However, I'd prefer the Jim Moriarty 1.0, Original Jim, b'c it would have symmetry and would have the Sherlock v. Moriarty dance continue, wherein now Sherlock has actually killed somebody, something that Jim can use as a pressure point to try and show Sherlock that they are more alike than Sherlock would like to believe. (Not that I think that's true -- just that would be something Jim would say...)

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Yeah I tend to mix up fanfiction and canon :)

I Sherlock The Casebook there is a Richard Brook CV which states his birth year 1976. I know it was a fake CV but to make it believable he had to give a birth year close to his own so my guess is he used his own. (A lot easier to keep a lie straight if a lot of it is true.)

Again in the Casebook there is photo of Sherlock's gravestone with his birthday visible. 6 January 1977.

Which makes Moriarty 13 and Sherlock about 12 when Carl died.

Richard Brook... I even considered that he was real. And he was Moriarty. I mean James Moriarty might not have existed at all. He was smart, a genius even, why would he use a name for his business that can be traced back to him if just one brave or stupid person talks? I mean sure the person would turn up dead within 24 hours but the damage would be done if he talked to the wrong person.

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prosen8966.livejournal.com

Frig frag it! (I'm babysitting...)

I OWN that casebook. Now I just have to remember where in the heck I put it...

(Jonathan started reading at age 3... it's very, um, interesting when I want to say things on email and he happens to come over [run over] and starts to read over my shoulder...)

But, IIRC, that's just the first 2 seasons, right? Altho, IIRC (again) it was written and/or endorsed by the producers so whatever is in it must have some relevance, some actual truth to canon (altho, since they have to cover it, I guess they can still change their minds...)

As for using his real name, if Jim comes from some Podunk town of Ireland (legal gay marriage, yeah!!), I guess it doesn't matter NOW that James Moriarty is/was his real name. Assume for the moment that as he first started out, he probably DIDN'T use Moriarty as his name, and then later, he decided he liked the name Moriarty causing fear (like with that woman from the museum, who thought his name was synonymous with Valdomort (sp?)) and it just gave him a tingle that people felt that way.

Also, being a true genius, I imagine he put numerous safety catches in place so that 'regular' people couldn't get to him by tracing back him name or the first trail or second trail, etc. etc. Indeed, it appeared that Mycroft only got a chance to speak to Jim b'c Jim LET him do so. Not thru any great, imaginative thought-out plan of Mycroft's.

Just a thought. You could very well be right.

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prosen8966.livejournal.com

Re: the 'other sibling'. I discussed this with my actual siblings and decided that 1- the sibling would have had to be older than Mycroft (b'c if he/she came in-between, that person would have been going to school with them when they were younger; and b'c while Mycroft has the older sibling down pat perfectly, it actually makes sense in that a- I have 2 older siblings very close in age and both have that sort of oldest sibling attitude & b- if there was something off about whomever this person was, Mycroft would have had to assume all the oldest sibling responsibilities and thus it would revert again to what I said re older siblings anyway); 2- if the sibling had emotional/psychological problems, the Holmes might have sent him/her away if he/she was a danger to the others and if the problems became so serious later in life, apparently Mycroft allowed the secret government to 'get rid of' that sibling; 3- if the sibling was as bright as all other Holmes' children but had lesser emo/psych problems then I was suggesting BUT it included similar drug addiction problems that would allow him/her to give away government secrets, see number 2 (Sherlock would never do that, if he knew the secrets, b'c as we noted, he actually is on the side of the angels, willing to fight to the death for two years to rid the world of enemies/treasonous foes, instead of just allowing 'someone else' to deal with the mess).

(I hope that made sense.)

This is fun!

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wynterblackwell.livejournal.com

I honestly have no idea about the third sibling. I just have a feeling whatever happened to him it wasn't pleasant because of the way Mycroft mentioned it.

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prosen8966.livejournal.com

I just have a feeling whatever happened to him it wasn't pleasant because of the way Mycroft mentioned it.

I got the impression that Mycroft gave the okay for either a kill order or a 'throw him in the dungeon 'til the end of time' order so no, not pleasant.

No idea what happened but from the pilot forward, have believed wholeheartedly that Mycroft and Sherlock love one another deeply; they simply aren't the type of men who speak of such things. In fact, when Mycroft DID say that the loss of Sherlock would break his heart (or something very close to that), Sherlock's response was something along the lines of what in the world I am supposed to say to that?! (Like, Good God! Didn't we agree ages and ages ago never to speak of such things out loud! What is your problem!!) And then Mycroft blames it on the punch.

So, whatever the problem with the 'other sibling', I have to imagine it was something that was likely clear from the very beginning. B'c I have this sense that Mycroft saw Sherlock in his little bassinet and fell instantly in love and decided at that very moment he would never let anything happen to his little brother. (That's my head canon.)